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Decoder is a new show from The Verge about big ideas – and other problems. Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policy makers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future. Subscribe here!

GoDaddy CEO Aman Bhutani on the enduring power of the website

Despite everything, websites are still a pretty neat idea — but what if AI builds them?

How Trump’s second term could be bad for EVs — but great for Tesla

What Elon Musk really wants from a Trump presidency. 

Here’s our Decoder episode with Bluesky CEO Jay Graber.

The federated Twitter competitor is heating up this week as people flee X — it just crossed 15m users and is currently the top app in the US iOS App Store. CEO Jay Graber was on Decoder earlier this year, talking about Bluesky’s approach to federation, “composable moderation,” and ultimately monetization. It’s a good one!


Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on the gospel of Steve Jobs and what founder mode really means

The Airbnb cofounder discusses being ‘in the details’ and why traditional management is doing it wrong.

Why AI companies are dropping the doomerism

The latest AI manifesto, from Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei, says a lot about the industry’s current moment.

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Egregious!

Here’s a video clip of my Decoder exchange on tax lobbying with Intuit CEO Sasan Goodarzi that the company called “egregious” and “disappointing” and asked us to delete. Fair warning: it’s a TikTok so it’s edited, but you can listen to the entire unedited clip on the pod this week.


The impossible dream of good workplace software

Can AI actually change our love-hate relationship with our tools?

Correction: Only 5,000 people are using the Rabbit R1 at any given time, not in a day.

That’s straight from Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu, who took great exception to our story from September 25th, which was sourced to a Fast Company article about his comments at one of their events. Jesse told me the actual daily user number was around 20,000, spiking up to 34,000 the day the company’s new LAM Playgrounds were launched, and that his actual comment was that 5,000 of those people were using the Rabbit at any given time. For context, Jesse also told me Rabbit has sold 100,000 R1s so far.

Fast Company has corrected its story, and we’ve updated our story as well. You can hear the whole conversation on Decoder.


Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn’t thinking too far ahead

Rabbit’s large action model is here, sort of — but everyone else is coming fast.

NBCU’s streaming chief isn’t worried about you canceling cable

Matt Strauss, head of Peacock and global streaming, has plans to keep you watching.

Why Mark Zuckerberg thinks AR glasses will replace your phone

Meta’s CEO on his first pair of AR glasses, partnering with Ray-Ban, why he’s done with politics, and more.

Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Anthropic’s new chief product officer on the promise and limits of chatbots like Claude and what’s next for generative AI.

GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke says the AI industry needs competition to thrive

Dohmke says navigating Microsoft-OpenAI isn’t as complicated as it seems, and open source is still king.

Replika CEO Eugenia Kuyda says it’s okay if we end up marrying AI chatbots

The head of chatbot maker Replika discusses the role AI will play in the future of human relationships.

DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict

AAG Jonathan Kanter says the Google monopoly verdict belongs on the ‘Mount Rushmore of antitrust.’

AI has a climate problem — but so does all of tech

How do you decide if AI is ‘worth’ the energy?

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Down the stack, baby.

One thing about having the idea of AI clones attending meetings in Zoom presented to you for the first time in a conversation with the CEO on your podcast is that other people get to react to said idea in a much funnier way, like Angela Collier does here.


How the Supreme Court’s Chevron ruling could doom net neutrality

The court struck down Chevron deference last month. That’s a big deal for the future of net neutrality.

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What do you want more?

A new Rivian or easy access to your iPhone apps from your vehicle’s console? CEO RJ Scaringe says you can’t have both.


Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe: too many carmakers are copying Tesla

Rivian’s founder on the R2 / R3 roadmap and the company’s $5 billion VW deal.